September 1, 2007

G136: Red Sox 10, Orioles 0

NO-HHITTER!!

Clay Buchholz is the first Red Sox rookie to pitch a no-hitter!
          IP   H   R  ER  BB   K  PIT
Buchholz 9 0 0 0 3 9 115

Orioles - 000 000 000 - 0 0 0
Red Sox - 010 304 02x - 10 14 0
It is the 17th no-hitter in Red Sox history and the third no-hitter thrown this season (Mark Buehrle on April 18 and Justin Verlander on June 12).

Buchholz is also the 17th rookie to throw a no-hitter. And he is the third pitcher since 1900 to throw a no-hitter in his first or second major league start. Bobo Hollomon of the St. Louis Browns did it in his first start on May 6, 1953, at home against the Philadelphia A's, and Wilson Alvarez did it in his second start on August 11, 1991, for the Chicago White Sox at Baltimore.

Buchholz's changeup -- something that was missing from his debut a few weeks ago against the Angels -- was deadly and he relied on it for much of the game. He mixed in his curveball here and there, and then -- in the top of the ninth -- he suddenly went to his fastball.

Although both Brian Roberts and Corey Patterson had tried to bunt earlier in the game, both Mike Lowell and Kevin Youkilis were playing back at the corners and the Orioles hitters did not even fake a bunt attempt in the ninth.

Buchholz's 0-1 curveball to Roberts was perhaps his best bender of the night, but home plate umpire Joe West did not call it a strike (he seemed fooled by at least three perfect pitches from Clay tonight). At 1-1, Roberts then swung and missed a 92 fastball, fouled off a 94 fastball and fanned on a 93 fastball.

Patterson looked at two balls and a called strike (changeup) before flying out to Coco Crisp in center. It seemed hard hit off the bat but Coco jogged eight or 10 steps towards left-center and had no trouble.

Nick Markakis looked at a 92 fastball up and away and a 71 curveball for a strike, and fouled off a 92 fastball for a 1-2 count. Buchholz's 115th pitch of the night was a beautiful curveball that dropped right into the heart of the zone. It was clearly a strike, but West waited a beat before ringing up Markakis.

There were no thoughts of a perfect game, as Clay plunked Markakis with two outs in the first inning. He began the fifth with walks to Kevin Millar and Aubrey Huff and he walked Roberts to start the sixth.

The fielding gem came courtesy of Dustin Pedroia. Miguel Tejada opened the seventh with a line drive that skipped past Buchholz and seemed headed for center field. Pedoria ranged far to his right, dove and gloved the ball, then popped back up and spun around and fired to first, just getting Tejada.

Buchholz also won a footrace with Corey Patterson on a grounder to Yook to open the third. Crisp ran down a few balls in the gaps, the scariest one hit by Patterson in the sixth.

David Ortiz's bases-loaded double in the fourth brought in three runs and gave Boston a 4-0 lead. Lowell's run-scoring double and Youkilis's three-run home run made it 8-0 in the sixth. Jacoby Ellsbury, who entered the game in the eighth inning, doubled on the only pitch he saw tonight to score two more in the eighth.

***

Garrett Olson (7.33, 60 ERA+) / Clay Buchholz (4.50, 100 ERA+)

Rookie LHP Olson makes his sixth career start (log). He lost to the Red Sox on August 11 (6.1-8-4-6-6, 115). He is subbing for Erik Bedard (strained muscle in his right side).

For Buchholz, it's his second career start. On August 17, Clay (6-8-4-3-3-5, 91) got credit for the 8-4 win over the Angels.

387 comments:

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allan said...

Cheers this inning have a different quality/sound to them.

nixon33 said...

wow, this is exciting.

Rob said...

Man! This kid is special. He really dealt it right there. Two big curves, a curve in the dirt, then the change.

s1c said...

Nice pick off of Roberts. Another half inning in the books and the magic number is getting lower.

s1c said...

Cheers this inning have a different quality/sound to them.

The crowd is aware. Oh, Orsillo don't say that.

allan said...

Rocky Cherry in!

SoSock said...

Cherry - 13 Hits and 6 BB in just 15 innings for the Cubs

SoSock said...

Ortiz doing much better this year against the O's than last.

allan said...

Tiz

3 walks and a 3-RBI double

Rob said...

DOCTOR DOUBLES!!!

allan said...

DOCTOR DOUBLES!!!

SoSock said...

Doc Delivers ! YES !

Rob said...

YOOOOOOOUK DONG ACTION!!!!

allan said...

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

SoSock said...

Piling On !!!

laura k said...

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK

i picked a fine game to sit out the game thread, eh?

i'll just lurk. don't wanna jinx. bye.

Rob said...

I love the umpire gently pointing to third base for Youk. "You know how to get there, Youk?"

allan said...

Remy says "three-run dong"!!

s1c said...

Last 3 home runs for Youk have been on the first pitch!

Joe Castig - "Rocky american league debut for Rocky".

SoSock said...

While they warm-up
Ortiz vs O's
Last year - .175
This year - .341 - before tonight's 1-1 (so far)

allan said...

Last 3 home runs for Youk have been on the first pitch!

This one was on a 1-1 pitch.

Rob said...

Remy says "three-run dong"!!

That's fabulous. Heh, maybe he's seen your blog!

I wish I didn't have the TV muted then. Oops.

SoSock said...

Did Remy really say "Dong"?

charlie pioli said...

HOLY CRAP.....! I JUST GOT BACK FROM A FRIENDS AND THE FIRST THING I SEE ON MLB.COM IS THAT BUCHOLZ IS THROWING A NO-NO AND THE SOX ARE WOPPING ASS.

allan said...

Tiz came into the game leading the AL with a .430 OBP.

As far as OBP goes, he's 4-for-4 tonight.

SoSock said...

Charlie
I don't think we're talking about the no-no yet

Rob said...

Buchholz will need a couple single-digit-pitch innings to make it the distance.

allan said...

Hit the dirt miggy!!!!!!!!!!

:>)

s1c said...

Pedroia - whoooo

Rob said...

PEDROIA DOES IT AGAIN! THAT'S GOT TO BE YOUR ROOKIE OF THE YEAR. (not to mention Gold Glove, anyone!?)

allan said...

OMG FUCKING GOD WHAT A PLAY BY PEDROIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

laura k said...

you see dusty say "fuck yeah"?!

laura k said...

(ok i can't just lurk, it's too exciting)

s1c said...

(ok i can't just lurk, it's too exciting)

Don't blame you.

Rob said...

Wow.

Just... wow.

allan said...

KFK K.

Ron said...

This is killing me - I'm in a hotel room in Boston with the lights out watching Gameday and the thread. Looks like I'm missing a really exciting game (especially given the score).

Keep up with the updates - stupid Gameday is so friggin' slow.

Ron said...

(Lights out b/c kids are asleep)

s1c said...

7th innng stretch and Dusty has the web gem of the game.

laura k said...

Chief, I feel for you. I followed two NYY perfect games on Gamecast - the old ESPN game thing - from my weekend job. It was horrible. Allan joined me from his job for the last few innings.

Ron said...

This kid Nophoto ain't bad.

nixon33 said...

WOWEEWOO!

Sir Jahmez said...

Pedroia. Buchholz. WOW. This is history tonight.

laura k said...

I wonder if Jere or any of our commenters are there tonight. I hope so.

Rob said...

I have a love-hate relationship with no-hitters. They're the most nerve-wracking events. 92 pitches... would they let him throw 110? 120 if necessary?

SoSock said...

SHIT
I can't BELIEVE I can't watch this game!
I feel you Chief, I'm on GDGD (goddamn gameday) myself.
BUT - it is a helluva lot better than not waiting for a scroll at the bottom of ESPN2
Also - thanks to all of you for the commentary, it helps

Ron said...

The upside of being in a hotel room in Boston in the dark with sleeping kids and no NESN (can you believe that? WTF?) is that we are going to the game tomorrow. So I have no room to complain.

nixon33 said...

ok i'll say it.
i want quick offensive innings!

Rob said...

The upside of being in a hotel room in Boston in the dark with sleeping kids and no NESN (can you believe that? WTF?) is that we are going to the game tomorrow. So I have no room to complain.

Got a radio handy? 680 AM has the game. If you're lucky you might be able to get it on 104.9 FM as well.

Ron said...

GDGD - is that in the glossary? It should be.

I tried MLB.tv, but it told me I was blacked out. MLB needs to take a serious look at their stone-age rules.

SoSock said...

ok i'll say it.
i want quick offensive innings

I'll admit it - I was thinking the same thing
(Insert sheepish grin here)

allan said...

92 pitches -- and if he gets through the 8th and is at 105, what will they do?

laura k said...

looks like buchholz has some kind of jacket folding ritual going on there

allan said...

bottom 3 for the birds
moore, house, payton

laura k said...

allan, i was thinking the same thing. i don't see how tito could pull him - but i don't see how he can't.

nixon33 said...

SoSock said...
ok i'll say it.
i want quick offensive innings
I'll admit it - I was thinking the same thing
(Insert sheepish grin here)


BUT ONLY FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF INNINGS, RIGHT?

LETS GO!

Ron said...

Found a pair of headphones in my bag, on Gameday audio now.

Rob said...

Oof. Buchholz could throw changeups the rest of the night and get it.

allan said...

ellsbury in LF, moss moves to RF, kielty out of game

Rob said...

His highest pitch total at Pawtucket is 94. Already eclipsed that tonight.

Benjamin said...

Why does Scott Moore still have a Cubs hat on gameday?

nixon33 said...

THATS WAS A STRIKE YOU FUCKER

s1c said...

Ump was fooled on that 2-2 pitch.

Ron said...

Only cost him one extra pitch, thankfully. Looked like a strike from here (in the dark).

allan said...

man i hate the delay -- seeing comments on stuff that hasn't happened yet.

Rob said...

YES! 4 left.

Rob said...

SPEARED BY BUCHHOLZ! Hard one-hopper! Oh man He's GOT to come back out!

laura k said...

omg i can't believe this

SoSock said...

Holy Shit !!
I'm not going to say it
I'm not going to say it
I'm not going to say it
I'm not going to say it
I'm not going to say it

allan said...

SPEARED!!!!!!!!!!!!

at 102

Rob said...

RS, do you have a tv at all where you work? If you do, I'm quite sure that ESPN will show the 9th inning live. They usually do that with no-hitters and perfect games.

laura k said...

i love seeing the guys in the dugout. beckett is straining, he looks like he's hanging on every molecule of air coming off buchholz. hinske is grinning ear to ear.

s1c said...

Unbelievable. Pitch count is what 99-100? He goes, Francona is not going to pull him.

nixon33 said...

woweewoo!

allan said...

i've been watching the whole game on nesn at work via mlbtv!!!!

SoSock said...

And Payton Helps Out by going after the 1st pitch

laura k said...

"Why does Scott Moore still have a Cubs hat on gameday? "

gameday is so lame that way. look at manny's picture.

David said...

thank goodness for xm radio

laura k said...

allan, do you have any work that you're blowing off?

Rob said...

i've been watching the whole game on nesn at work via mlbtv!!!!

I was just thinking that if you could watch it on ESPN you wouldn't have to deal with the delay. Just a suggestion.

laura k said...

ish, there is no espn in canada.

Rob said...

ish, there is no espn in canada.

Ah, gotcha.

laura k said...

i don't even want offense anymore! we have 8 runs, let's just get back to the show!

allan said...

maybe chief should stick his head out the window -- he might hear the fenway crowd!!

SoSock said...

ESPN & ESPN 2 both have Coll. FB on anyway.
I just checked

allan said...

no work since 6:15 or so.

Rob said...

Ortiz is 1 for 1 in the 8th inning. Heh.

Rob said...

ESPN & ESPN 2 both have Coll. FB on anyway.
I just checked


They might change it, but not with the Sox batting.

laura k said...

no work since 6:15 or so.

thank goodness

Rob said...

This is hilarious. On espn.com they have the three top performers on the scoreboard, and of course, Clay Buchholz is the first one. The problem is there's no picture for him. Just a gray outline of a face and "no photo" inside.

allan said...

yook loads 'em up for da capt.

come on, jason, DO SOMETHING GOOD!

SoSock said...

Wow - Doc & Yook both deliver. Bases jammed w/ 1 out - and we don't really care!
Bring on top 9

Rob said...

ESPN's bottom line scoreboard shows the NCAA football scores... and the Red Sox game score, with a message that says "Buchholz: No hitter through 8 IP"

allan said...

or maybe a GIDP to get to the 9th is better.

allan said...

Just a gray outline of a face and "no photo" inside.

made his debut more than 2 weeks ago. way to go, espn!!! worldwide leader ....

Rob said...

YEAH ELLSBURY!!!!!

laura k said...

i love that guy :)

allan said...

do it for l-girl, jacoby.

SoSock said...

Ouch - Tough couple of days for the cap'n

Benjamin said...

Hopefully Kielty can deliver on this inning's squander.

Fake edit: nooooo, they put in Ellsbury.

Rob said...

i love that guy :)

Me too. Ever since the routine grounder he beat.

laura k said...

do it for l-girl, jacoby.

he did!

Ron said...

Fucking wireless died in the room - now in the lobby and hooked up again.

Made it back before the bottom of the ninth - oh wait, that won't be necessary!

Nice move Ellsbury.

laura k said...

ish, i meant ellsbury. who did you mean? :)

Benjamin said...

ESPN says they'll be carrying the 9th inning.

nixon33 said...

HERE WE FUCKING GO!

Ron said...

Ellsbury is from Madras, Oregon (also childhood home of River and Joquin Phoenix, for you celebrity watchers).

Chief is from Oregon too. The similarities end there.

Rob said...

Subtleties: NESN has a small "NESN Live" graphic in the upper right hand corner of the screen.

SoSock said...

And Aaaawaaaay we go !!

allan said...

nesn says it's staying at fenway but mlbtv cuts to away to its carnival musuc. fuck mlbtv.

...
oh it's back.

nixon33 said...

why are they showing that d-lo shit?!

Rob said...

I've got a tape in my stereo and am recording WRKO.

Rob said...

ESPN has the game.

Benjamin said...

But now they switched back to football.

Rob said...

Wait, I was wrong. Damn.

David said...

i'm still getting cfb on espn

allan said...

what the ufck west?????

jesus fucking christ

Rob said...

TWO LEFT.

Benjamin said...

Gameday's dead, but protrade's working: http://live.protrade.com/orioles_redsox/20070901

SoSock said...

W T F - GDGD is hung up
AAAARRRGGGHHH

Rob said...

ONE MORE ONE MORE

s1c said...

will be at the game tomorrow with a couple of guys who are there tonight. hopefully they took some pics.

could be an interesting post at 38 pitches.

Benjamin said...

Now ESPN does have it.

SoSock said...

Hep Me ! Hep Me !

s1c said...

1 strike away and here comes the change

Rob said...

NO HITTER!!!!!!

Benjamin said...

Woohoo.

David said...

k

Rob said...

HE DID IT!!!!

laura k said...

i am speechless

s1c said...

A freaking curve gets called for the third strike and the kid did it.

s1c said...

Lot better than Curt Schilling - J. Beckett.

laura k said...

wow. the tension. wow.

Rob said...

Joe Castiglione: David Ortiz ran out there faster than I've seen him run.

allan said...

couldn't tell who said that!!!!

wow.

laura k said...

i don't know how these guys maintain their composure. i am a wreck just watching.

allan said...

good lord tina is dumb.

Benjamin said...

I guess Ish was really trying to bury that superstition here, tonight.

SoSock said...

Holy Cow !!
At least ESPN did show th last out.
Not a very enthusiastic call by the ump I thought, but HE DID IT
1st Rookie in Bosox history to do so, according to ESPN

Rob said...

haha, Beckett almost ran over Baltimore's first base coach.

Jim said...

Jesus, what a job! A cool customer with great stuff. Sorry, SL, but we gotta see this kid again. Hope Mr. Lester was taking notes for tomorrow (and DON'T forget the bats, boys).

laura k said...

i was kind of amazed that ish kept saying it too.

i generally hate superstitions, but there are some lines i won't cross! anyway, it's tradition.

allan said...

Phil Hughes hasn't done THAT yet.

Benjamin said...

Rewinding the DVR, it looks like Clay got a Big Papi to the head in the scrum. I hope he's ok.

Rob said...

I guess Ish was really trying to bury that superstition here, tonight.

Heh. Well I guess I would have felt like an idiot if it got broken up. :P

allan said...

at 10:45 this morning chris posted the first comment in this thread:

"It'll be exciting to see buchholz again. i wonder if those all-fastball tripleA starts did anything for him.

Against the angels, it looked like he couldn't command the curve because of nerves (since it is traditionally very good to him). His change was great, so if he can nail them both down..."

*******

made to order.

SoSock said...

it looks like Clay got a Big Papi to the head in the scrum. I hope he's ok.

It would probably take a heeluva lot to hurt him right now

laura k said...

geez, i was complaining that this was one of the few (east coast) games i couldn't watch from start to finish, and there was a no-hit bid.

but some of our gamethreaders had to watch on GDGD! poor guys.

i have nothing to complain about, at least the innings i saw (1-2, then 5-9) were on NESN.

Ron said...

Wow. Just wow.

I ran up four flights of stairs when ish (?) said it was on ESPN. Lost the wireless again, but I got to see strike 3, a fly out to Coco, and then the whole last at bat.

Wow.

Kid should just retire.

That's some drama for a 10 run win. I hope tomorrow's game compares on some level.

Patriots Film said...

"made to order."


;)

What a day.

Rob said...

Take THAT, Ian Kennedy!

Benjamin said...

Yeah, well those of us living in the diaspora make do with what we can.

nixon33 said...

WOW NICE JOB EVERYONE!
GOOD JOB KID

Benjamin said...

(Without denigrating the Canadians. And at least without paying for a cable package.)

Rob said...

Still a lot of 2007 left, but when this season ends, I'm going to be looking forward to what hopes to be an extremely exciting and fun 2008 season. There are going to be a lot of fantastic games. Those Red Sox/Yankees series look to be even more intense, as well. Legitimate pitchers duels.

But there's a ton of business left to attend to this year.

Rob said...

Derek Lowe was the last man to throw a no-hitter for the Red Sox... He's pitching right now for Los Angeles in San Diego.

Jim said...

I have to tune into the gruesome Rogers Sportscenter at 11. just to see if this will knock a hockey story off the lede. Now that would be historic.

laura k said...

"Without denigrating the Canadians."

Oh, no offense taken. ESPN is a very small price to pay.

Diaspora, I like that. We're part of the exodus.

"Kid should just retire."

:-)

laura k said...

Heh, nice touch on that headline.

NO-HHITTER

smithnyiu said...

Pedroia's play in the 7th made this even sweeter. Any other game, any other team, that was a hit.

And what a game called by Tek.

allan said...

Tomorrow morning, check out MLB's scoreboard for tonight's game. If you click on any number in the line score, that inning will play for you.

I just logged out of MLB and tried it for the Twins game this afternoon. It worked. So you guys should be able to see the 9th (or the whole game) tomorrow.

allan said...

Actually, it looks like you can do it NOW!

allan said...

I'm gonna watch the 9th again!!!

allan said...

Beckett yelling in the scrum:

"Lot better than Curt Schilling did! Lot better than Curt Schilling!!"

Jim said...

Wow, they lead off with Clay. I'd forgotten how good Martine looks.

Benjamin said...

I wish MLB-TV weren't so damn choppy. It's normal only to get one frame every ten seconds, right?

s1c said...

"Lot better than Curt Schilling did! Lot better than Curt Schilling!!"

Turned everything off after the last pitch and flew upstairs to do the get ready for work stuff.

At work now, watching Extra Innings - The best thing about that quote is Schilling was on the other side of the Kid.

Good game and the losing streak ends.

Hoping Lester just pitches good tomorrow. See you all from fenway tomorrow afternoon!

Some Guy said...

hi all... after watching the game it feels great to come check out the game thread and relive it.

In the post-game interviews on NESN, first Buchholz and then Tito pointed to the pick-off of Roberts as a key turning point in the game, as it gave Buck renewed confidence that you could see in his body as well as his pitches.

To prove the point, you should re-read this game thread from about 8:45 onward. Right after the pickoff, you can tell this game became something special.

And I want to give full kudos to the Captain, too. I didn't see Buchholz shake off a single sign. All those change ups early in the game, in 2-0 and 3-1 and 3-2 counts; calling for the curve every now and then in the early innings until it finally started dropping for a strike and then using it as a killer pitch. Tek called a fantastic game.

s1c said...

How long before we see or hear Remy hawking a copy of his scorecard from tonight's game. I say by the second inning tomorrow.

Jere said...

To answer L's question, no, I wasn't there. Was watching on TV with both my parents, which was cool. Was at Derek Lowe's, though, also a 10-0 win. What a night for Double-H!!!!!

allan said...

How long before we see or hear Remy hawking a copy of his scorecard from tonight's game. I say by the second inning tomorrow.

I was thinking of try to scan and upload mine as a file of some sort. It's a bit messier than usual, what with moderating comments, refreshing the game thhread for my own reading, and watching the game. It'll be free if I do it, though.

Rob said...

i was kind of amazed that ish kept saying it too.

i generally hate superstitions, but there are some lines i won't cross! anyway, it's tradition.


Well, I hit a deer early Tuesday morning in a new Subaru Outback. The deer ran out from the woods right in front of the car and there was nothing I could do. The only thing I could have done was not leave the house.

I guess when something like that happens, you become well aware (or reaffirming) that there are a lot things you cannot and will not be able to control.

Maybe a week ago I wouldn't have been so quick about things, but since Tuesday morning, I've been able to put things into a little bit of perspective. (Note: The deer might have been injured, but after rolling on the hood, up the windshield and onto the roof, the deer flew off of the roof and into a ditch. At that point it got up and ran away. Remarkably, the car had NO damage at all. Not a scratch. In case you guys were curious.)

Since the well-timed deer meeting, the Red Sox lost every game until tonight.

But hey, at least Buchholz didn't make me look bad! ;)

allan said...

The Globe's Extra Bases updates had "no-no" in the headlines from the fifth inning or so.

s1c said...

Before I forget, The Baltimore Orioles were the last team in the majors to be shut out. It took a no-hitter but finally all of the teams have been shut out at least once.

Rob said...

RS, one of my favorite parts of tonight's game thread was when you said this about Garret Olson in the second inning:

there goes the no-hitter.

allan said...

ish, that is funny. see? no jinx!!

I remember Wilson Alvarez pitching a no-hitter in his second start, mainly because it happened two years after his debut.

His first game was July 24, 1989 (he faced only 5 batters: 3 hits and 2 BB) and his second was August 11, 1991 (9-0-0-5-7).

At the time, I was doing researching for a possible book on some players who had played in only one game.

To be shelled in Game #1, wait two years and then throw a no-hitter in Game #2 is amazing.

Benjamin said...

Ish, you lost out on your bid to be the next Lucen. No getting called out on Schilling's blog for you.

allan said...

Post from SoSH:

"Theo said on NESN that Tito called him after the 7th and 8th. They were worried about the pitch count. Clay had never thrown more than 98 pitches in a game. Tito was going to pull him if he got to 120 pitches and blame Theo."

allan said...

Two others SoSH posts:

"I'm certainly not the first to mention it, but apparently he was throwing more pitches in the cage between innings so he wouldn't cool down too much."

"Man that sweep in the Bronx feels like it happened 6 years ago right now."

nick said...

I just got home from work a few minutes ago. I turned on the TV for the 2hr rerun. come here to check the comments and man!! I'll work my way through the comments now, but awesome!

nick said...

I got home from work a few minutes ago (1:15am), turned on the TV for the abridged game and am reviewing the thread...just saw pedroia's nab in the 7th for the out...damn!

nick said...

whoops! I got a blogger error when I tried to submit that first post, so I figured it hadn't gone through.

Have fun at the game tomorrow, all who go.

nixon33 said...

WAIT A MINUTE! When did beckett say "lot better than schilling" i watched the whole thing & never heard/saw that?????

allan said...

WAIT A MINUTE! When did beckett say "lot better than schilling" i watched the whole thing & never heard/saw that?????

After the last out, as the mob moved from the plate towards the dugout.

laura k said...

Ish, I was totally kidding. I like the tradition of the announcers calling the game not mentioning it, and no one in the dugout mentioning it. But not as superstition - as tradition.

That's why I personally don't say the words, out of respect for that tradition.

But sheesh, we know (for example) that Yankee fans must have been saying no-hitter every-other word. Every person on the planet would have to respect the supposed jinx in order for it to work.

laura k said...

How long before we see or hear Remy hawking a copy of his scorecard from tonight's game. I say by the second inning tomorrow.

Good call.

Rob said...

It's funny how tradition works sometimes.

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