August 2, 2009

G104: Red Sox 18, Orioles 10

Red Sox - 421 702 011 - 18 23  0
Orioles - 006 012 100 - 10 15 1
Let's go through the Red Sox lineup for this crazy game:
Ellsbury: 2-for-5 (7 PA), 2 walks, 4 runs

Pedroia: 3-for-5, walk, 4 runs

Martinez: 5-for-6, double, 4 RBI

Youkilis*: 3-for-4, 2 walks, 2 runs, 2 RBI

Ortiz: 0-for-5, walk, RBI

Drew: 1-for-1, double, run, 3 RBI

Baldelli: 2-for-5, home run, 2 runs

Lowell: 3-for-6, double, run, 3 RBI

Reddick: 2-for-6, home run, 2 runs, 2 RBI

Lowrie: 2-for-5, walk, run, RBI
*: Youkilis reached base in 13 consecutive plate appearances in this series, making outs in only his first at-bat on Friday and his last at-bat today. (The MLB record is 16, set by Ted Williams in 1957.)

In the first four innings, the Red Sox had 32 plate appearances -- eight in both of the first and second innings, and 12 in the fourth. Boston set season-highs in runs and hits.

Buchholz (4-9-7-4-3, 76) was not sharp. After Boston grabbed a 7-0 lead, he allowed five hits and six runs in the third. He was pulled after the first three Orioles reached base in the fifth.

There were 372 pitches thrown in this game, 213 by the Orioles. Nine of the 10 pitchers allowed at least one run.
Example
Clay Buchholz (3.52, 133 ERA+) / Jason Berken (6.21, 74 ERA+)

Redsox.com says Victor Martinez will be behind the plate this afternoon and Jason Bay will get the day off -- to rest what he called "a little humidity cramp" in his right hamstring.

J.D. Drew (sore right groin) may also spend another day on the bench.
I've been trying to move around, trying to get some blood going, just kind of seeing how it responds. ... It's aggravating. I feel like I was feeling good at the plate (11-for-his-last-25). That's one of the unfortunate things. When I hit that ball down the line [on Wednesday night], I just kind of felt it when I rounded first, and I knew right away that I was going to have to come out of that game. I didn't know whether I should stop the inning. Luckily, [Jason Varitek] hit the double in the gap. I could pretty much walk home.
George Kottaras was put on the 15-day disabled list because of a lower back injury that he has been dealing with for roughly a month. He says he hurt it in batting practice.

When Josh Reddick, with the Sea Dogs in Pennsylvania, was told on Friday to pack his bags, he thought he had been traded or was being promoted to Pawtucket. He made his major league debut at Fenway Park later that evening.

Next week's starters: Jon Lester and Brad Penny in Tampa on Tuesday and Wednesday, followed by John Smoltz, Josh Beckett, Buchholz, and Lester in New York. Joba Chamberlain will open the four-game series for the Yankees.

Yankees/White Sox at 2 PM.

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Pepe Lepew said...

This is the same team that scored 12 runs in six games?

A Conformer said...

How're the MFY doing?

Pepe Lepew said...

Yankees just scored. They're up 6-4. Beurhle (sp?) is obviously imperfect today.

Amy said...

Is it really only the FOURTH inning after two hours?

Iridescence said...

Man, YOUK is some kind of locked in right now!

redsock said...

2 outs this inning were bullet line drives.

L-girl said...

Like I just came in to the middle of a private conversation!

Sorry! I think it was continued from a few threads you had to miss.

When I do "SEE ALLAN???" it means Lyndon took a walk.

Amy said...

Stupid Buerhle. He used up all his good pitches before playing the Yankees.

:)

Pepe Lepew said...

Is it really only the FOURTH inning after two hours?

Are there really 22 hits after four innings?

L-girl said...

When you miss the beginning of some threadspeak, you never really catch up. I wasn't around when FUCK TRAIN was invented, and I never really know what it means.

Amy said...

Got it now. Like I said, I figured it was about LBJ!

redsock said...

Orioles PC thru 4: 135

Amy said...

Yes, I do sometimes feel out of the loop after missing a game thread or two. Luckily, I can always go back and try and catch up.

redsock said...

"Red Sox strand a pair."

booooooooooooo

A Conformer said...

When you miss the beginning of some threadspeak, you never really catch up. I wasn't around when FUCK TRAIN was invented, and I never really know what it means.

Well, what are you waiting for? Start rereading old threads...

Iridescence said...

Amy, good pitching may stop good hitting. Horrible pitching however does not.

redsock said...

BOS: 421 7
BAL: 006

MFY: 030 21
CWS: 004 0

Amy said...

36 minute wait for HH...DO, how about 36 minutes of the Sox scoring 7 runs?

A Conformer said...

Big Game Shields is having a... big game, I guess.

Pepe Lepew said...

Yes, I do sometimes feel out of the loop after missing a game thread or two. Luckily, I can always go back and try and catch up.

Try missing a whole MONTH!
This phone jack 40 feet away from my computer actually seems to be working. I guess I can either call the phone company to get the office jack fixed or buy a whole lotta phone line and tape it to the ceiling.

redsock said...

there's that sexy curve!

L-girl said...

Zorro tossed!

redsock said...

kirk ... getting upset

Amy said...

Amy, good pitching may stop good hitting. Horrible pitching however does not.

Yeah, that is obviously true. :)

But does weak pitching necessarily mean good hitting? And does good hitting ever outdo good pitching? Those seem to be the less clear questions.

A Conformer said...

HH likes 36 minute waits, apparently.

Amy said...

I don't think I said that clearly.

I think what I meant was: when the team you favor gets a lot of hits, we often say that our hitters are great. But when our pitcher gives up hits, we often blame the pitcher, not the strength of the other team's hitters. So does OK hitting outweight OK pitching or vice versa?

Amy said...

Going out for a while. Please do not give up runs, HH.

L-girl said...

when the team you favor gets a lot of hits, we often say that our hitters are great. But when our pitcher gives up hits, we often blame the pitcher, not the strength of the other team's hitters.

I have often mentioned this to Allan. It's the essential hypocrisy of baseball fans.

L-girl said...

we just matched our season-high hits: 17

redsock said...

we need a run.

A Conformer said...

Shit, no history tonight.

redsock said...

damn.

A Conformer said...

Today, rather.

Iridescence said...

Amy, it's complicated. there's a cliche that good pitching always will stop good hitting so I was joking about that but I don't really believe it. You definitely see cases where hitters hit good pitches or miss hanging curve balls.

It's some combination of good hitting and bad pitching always and you'd have to really analyze a game at a much deeper level than the average fan does to even start to know how much of each was involved in any given game.

Amy said...

Ofer, you finally on Israel time? :)

A Conformer said...

LAAAA already have 12 hits, btw.

L-girl said...

uh-oh, baltimore dong, we're doomed again

Pepe Lepew said...

I wonder if the Mariners regret trading Adam Jones.

redsock said...

depends if we think a certain pitcher "should" pitch well against us. if he "shouldn't", but does, then our bats suck.

Amy said...

I agree, Iridescence. It probably varies from batter to batter also even within a game. Pitchers pitch more effectively against certain batters. So each at bat is a different battle.

redsock said...

i'm not the only one who needs a better laptop.

A Conformer said...

I wonder how many times a starting pitcher got 14 runs of support through 4 innings and didn't get a W?

L-girl said...

I can't believe it's 4:00.

L-girl said...

MDC coming in

Ish said...

"Jscoby is "proactive" on the bases" that makes a lot of sense.

The first habit in the Seven Habits of Highly Effective Baserunners.

Amy said...

This game is a good example. Is HH pitching well or not? He has given up a ton of hits and runs. If we were losing, would we be saying that Baltimore's bats are hot or did HH suck?

OK, off to get some fresh air. Enjoy the game.

A Conformer said...

I wonder if the Mariners regret trading Adam Jones.

The Bedard trade was extremely awful the day it was done, and it's getting worse with time. Even if Bedard would've pitched well (or pitched most of the time) it would've been really bad.

Ish said...

Not sure who I'm more annoyed at. HH or Smoltz.

A Conformer said...

Wow, Sox and MFY in crazy slugfests.

redsock said...

HH? I vote "not good". I'd like to see fx data to see how he hit spots.

Though more than half their hits are from Roberts, who seems to always kill us, and Jones.

Ish said...

I feel like in 5-10 years the average depth into a game a starting pitcher will go would be around or under 5 innings.

Pepe Lepew said...

The Bedard trade was extremely awful the day it was done, and it's getting worse with time. Even if Bedard would've pitched well (or pitched most of the time) it would've been really bad.

The Mariners' front office back in those days was just about the biggest train wreck in the majors. Man, they made some amazingly dumb moves. How much did they pay Carlos Silva?

Amy said...

One parting thought: maybe it's all up to the catcher!

:)

redsock said...

goddamn it mdc, you are up by 7.
pitch!

Ish said...

It's taken 2.5 hours to become an official game.

Ish said...

Why does reddick have gum on his hat?

Ish said...

Wait. Is that Reddick? I can't tell.

Ish said...

Someone has gum on their hat. That's not Kotchman is it?

L-girl said...

Rookies often end up with gum on their hats.

L-girl said...

Is my boy hot or is he hot? Those are your only choices!!!

Iridescence said...

Young pitchers are always a rollercoaster ride to watch even when they have great stuff.

L-girl said...

Radio guys say Kotchman has gum on his cap.

redsock said...

FY foiling #49.

Iridescence said...

LOL nice to see the guys loose and goofing around.

L-girl said...

Has anyone said it yet?

Make Tito apologize!

Ish said...

Yeah. Reddick was sitting next to Kotchman.

Smoltz put the gum on Kotchman's head. Took him about five minutes to realize what was going on. Everyone trying to keep a straight face.

Totally cool in a 14-7 ballgame.

L-girl said...

I'm enjoying the Victor Martinez era.

Ish said...

I'm also enjoying the Casey Kotchman era.

He's batting a thousand when it comes to having gum put on his head.

A Conformer said...

Did we really trade Masterson and two other pitchers for a singles hitter?
/sarcasm

L-girl said...

ho hum, 15-7

redsock said...

yook on for the fifth time -- second day in a row.

redsock said...

Yook has reached base in his last 13 PA!!!!

redsock said...

i was worried hendrickson had learned something about pitching with that quick fifth.

nope.

L-girl said...

We hit into a DP and it barely matters.

Ish said...

Drew's injury is where I really liked Kotsay. 1B/OF. You don't know if Baldy can go everyday if need-be.

Luckily we have Junior FIRE who's a red dick.

Pepe Lepew said...

Yook has reached base in his last 13 PA!!!!

What's the record?

redsock said...

Modern day record: 16, by Ted Williams in 1957 (6 hits, 9 BB, 1 HBP).

Pepe Lepew said...

Modern day record: 16, by Ted Williams in 1957 (6 hits, 9 BB, 1 HBP).

Hah, I thought it might be Ted Williams or Barry Bonds.

Ish said...

I would have thought Barry Bonds would go that far with just walks.

L-girl said...

Obie just said there have been no OTT innings yet today. Crazy!

Ish said...

L, I believe it.

redsock said...

Yook, this series:

Fri: F9, single, single, HR

Sat: BB, single, HR, single, single

Sun: single, BB, single, single, BB

Ish said...

That would be awesome to be paid by the pitch.

Ish said...

Make a lotta bread today.

L-girl said...

here comes ram ram

A Conformer said...

I'm thinking we'll have a Saito sighting soon enough.

A Conformer said...

On MASN they keep talking about 3, 4 and 5-game hitting streaks...

Pepe Lepew said...

Yook, this series:

Fri: F9, single, single, HR

Sat: BB, single, HR, single, single

Sun: single, BB, single, single, BB


That'll help the ol' OPS.
I looked. He's over 1.

Ish said...

This game has gone boring.

Ish said...

Orioles are trying to change that.

Ish said...

This is one of those games that, as a pitcher, I wonder if you come in and think how the hell can I actually pitch well today?

Ish said...

Still 5 combined hits shy of JoS1 game Tuesday night.

A Conformer said...

What's up with the White Sox? not doing their part so far...

redsock said...

MFY: 030 220 00
CWS: 004 000 0

A Conformer said...

This is one of those games that, as a pitcher, I wonder if you come in and think how the hell can I actually pitch well today?

Bard would K 4 in two perfect innings, if Tito let him pitch. But no real reason for that.

L-girl said...

go sox of all colours

Ish said...

Cla Meredith... All girls team!

Ish said...

And all NH towns team!

redsock said...

work -- so it's headphones again. be gentle with me, mr. roberts.

L-girl said...

They gave up one from the girls team - George Sherrill - and got another with Meredith.

Ish said...

Mr. Roberts: "Allan, this will only hurt a little."

Ish said...

OTT.

redsock said...

The 4-game public toilet series is gonna be huge!

L-girl said...

Allan, do your blood pressure a favour, go for radio.

1st OTT inning

Ish said...

Turned on MFY radio... They're lauding Molina's pitch-calling. Now Fruitbat in for 4 outs,.

Ish said...

Bubblegum head in at 1B. Youk to 3rd. Lowell out.

Ish said...

Okay it's raining. Can we call the game now?

Ish said...

HA. RBI single for Quentin. 7-5. Corners for the Other Sox. Chris Getz batting.

Pepe Lepew said...

Ooo. White Sox rallying.

Ish said...

'Bat escapes. 7-5 after 8 in ChiTown.

Pepe Lepew said...

Dang, just one run.

Iridescence said...

Go bleached Sox! I'll never totally forgive you for 2005 but sweeping the MFY would help.

Ish said...

2005 was easier because of 2004 and knowing we went as far as we could. Plus there's nothing wrong with losing in the first round to the eventual WS champs.

Pepe Lepew said...

Oh, c'mon, Orioles, you can't win. Give up!

L-girl said...

This game's not over yet...

L-girl said...

I'm the same as Ish re White Sox & 2005. Our 05 team was not good enough to win much.

I thought it was so cool that both teams' historic droughts were ended in consecutive years. 1918/2004 - 1917/2005.

Iridescence said...

True, 2005 didn't suck too bad as losing goes but I will always believe the Red Sox had the best team that year and the other Sox just got hot at the right time. Same as I will always believe the Sox were better than the Rays last year regardless of the result.

Pepe Lepew said...

This game's not over yet...

The Orioles are actually trying to win!! :(
Damn, Yankees have a guy on third.

Ish said...

But that's the thing that makes a world champion team. Being good enough during the season to make the playoffs, then being hot in the playoffs.

Extra Mart! Again!

Ish said...

Milk-dud hit for the cycle.

L-girl said...

Wow! Extra Mart AGAIN!!!

Ish said...

His final AB was a triple.

redsock said...

pedroia "to third ... and beyond"

L-girl said...

the cycle, get the fuck out! wow.

I'm supposed to be working. Must concentrate on that before these JoS comments end up killing some corporate takeover.

Ish said...

How many combined hits are we up to now?

Ish said...

Mr. Thompson struck her on the side of the head with an oil lamp a cycle?! get the fuck out!

redsock said...

35 hits

L-girl said...

but I will always believe the Red Sox had the best team that year and the other Sox just got hot at the right time. Same as I will always believe the Sox were better than the Rays last year regardless of the result.

That happens a lot in baseball.

I can see thinking that about the 2008 Red Sox but not the 2005 club.

Ish said...

Did anyone think on Tuesday night that we'd have another 35-hit combined game not even a week later? I didn't. Then again I was thinking about being at Fenway and such.

Ish said...

Happens a lot in other sports, too.

The Boston Bruins were the best team in the NHL's eastern conference this past season but was bounced out of the second round by the Carolina Hurricanes.

The Pittsburgh Penguins were floundering for much of the season, fired their coach, went on a run, and got especially hot in the playoffs and won the Stanley Cup.

Ish said...

8-5 Yankees. Cockbag.

Amy said...

So you guys let the Orioles score three runs while I was gone? Sheesh, how can I trust you?

I see we scored a few more also, so all is forgiven.

Ish said...

VMart, to Saito: "Hey, Takashi-san. What do you throw?"

Iridescence said...

Yeah,at least in baseball you don't have like half the teams in the league making the playoffs. I've always thought that was stupid in other sports.

Still, sucks to lose in general and to lose to a team that you think is worse than favorite team in particular.

Ish said...

I think Pittsburgh was the 6th seed. They would not have made the playoffs in MLB.

L-girl said...

Amy doing her impersonation of Lord Lynch.

Ish said...

One thing that's interesting in hockey and basketball, compared to baseball, is the length of the playoffs.

Baseball teams play 162 regular season games, then play as many as 19 postseason games. 5-game DS, 7-game CS and WS.

Hockey and basketball have four 7-game rounds. A possible 28 games, and they only play 82 regular season games!

Pepe Lepew said...

Yeah,at least in baseball you don't have like half the teams in the league making the playoffs. I've always thought that was stupid in other sports.

I'm old enough to remember when hockey had 21 teams and 16 of them made the playoffs. You'd have teams with records like 25-40-17 in the postseason!

Amy said...

Heh, I wasn't even thinking of the Lord.

Baldelli!!!

Ish said...

BALDY DONG! Love it!

L-girl said...

damn you castig! stop making every fly out sound like a dong!!

Ish said...

Castig-be-damned.

redsock said...

7th PA for LBJ!

Ish said...

Yankees win.

Amy said...

Damn Yankees. But at least we lose no ground.

Pepe Lepew said...

Yankees win.

They had to sooner or later.

L-girl said...

They had to sooner or later.

That's exactly when we will re-take 1st place.

Pepe Lepew said...

They had to sooner or later.

That's exactly when we will re-take 1st place.


At least the White Sox gave 'em tons of grief. I get tired of seeing everyone but the Red Sox rolling over for them.

Amy said...

A four hour game...not as bad as I would think with 28 runs and over 35 hits. Those first three were so long that I thought the game could go give hours.

L-girl said...

I find it amusing how Red Sox fans can never admit that the Yankees might have a good team - ever. Even a decent team seems impossible for anyone to concede. Teams are always "rolling over" for them.

Pepe, not picking on you, it's standard Red Sox fan fare.

Amy said...

five hours

Definitely having typing issues today.

Benjamin said...

Water

Amy said...

Dirty water!

L-girl said...

AT LAST: DIRTY WATER!

redsock said...

The water is Muddy!!!

Ish said...

And then Yankee fans can't ever convince themselves they don't have a good team.

So, to recap: Red Sox fans think the Yankees are never good. Yankee fans think the Yankees are always good, and will forever be good.

Pepe Lepew said...

So, to recap: Red Sox fans think the Yankees are never good. Yankee fans think the Yankees are always good, and will forever be good.

Well, I do think the Yankees are good. I just think some teams cave in the face of the B.S. "Yankees Mystique" and let themselves get intimidated.

L-girl said...

And then Yankee fans can't ever convince themselves they don't have a good team.

But you know, that's not necessarily a bad thing. It leads to arrogance, for sure, but it also gives you great optimism. Which is very enjoyable.

L-girl said...

I just think some teams cave in the face of the B.S. "Yankees Mystique" and let themselves get intimidated.

I think that's more a fan phenomenon. That happened with some great Yankees teams like 1998, but I don't think the current NYYs are intimidating anyone.

L-girl said...

OMG I just pasted that quote into a legal document. That is my cue to leave! See you all Tuesday - enjoy the off day. Holiday here in Canada, Red Sox must be feeling very Canuckish.

Iridescence said...

They should have a "good" team for the money they spend but NYY fans always act so shocked when the Yankees lose to anyone (The Yankees ALWAYS "choke" according to the NY press no one ever just legitimately beats them esp in the playoffs) . I think you are seeing a reverse reaction to that

Ish said...

At this point, looking forward to the Yankee series on Thursday, I'm not looking forward to the length of the games. As fun as Red Sox/Yankees games are, they're also fucking long.

Pepe Lepew said...

OMG I just pasted that quote into a legal document. That is my cue to leave! See you all Tuesday - enjoy the off day. Holiday here in Canada, Red Sox must be feeling very Canuckish.

Hoo, boy, I'm not feeling very Canadian right now. What holiday is in early August? I'm in Banff for Labour Day. I hope it isn't *too* insane.
I'm outta here for five days! No snow, no snow, no snow.

Iridescence said...

"What holiday is in early August?"

It's a nameless "civic holiday" just basically an excuse for a long weekend.

9casey said...

Are you friggin kiddin me:

Tampa Bay Rays pitcher Matt Garza not suspended for throwing at Yankees first baseman Mark Teixeira


Just fined , admitted to throwing at him and no suspension, didn't Beckett get suspended for breathing on Abreu.....

L-girl said...

The Yankees ALWAYS "choke" according to the NY press

According to the NY press??? How about according to most Red Sox fans?! Not for nothing Allan refers to them as the Chokers.

I think you are seeing a reverse reaction to that

Of course. It's always Red Sox fans counter-reaction. Never the other way around.

It's a perfect circle. There's no way to tell who is reacting to whom.

L-girl said...

They should have a "good" team for the money they spend

Red Sox Fan Rule # 4.

Any admission that the Yankees might have a good team must be accompanied by a reference to payroll.

Iridescence said...

"Any admission that the Yankees might have a good team must be accompanied by a reference to payroll."

Because payroll is the main reason they almost always have a good team.
Their payroll in 2009 is $206,811,689. the 2nd highest in MLB (Mets) is $139,102,23 The median is $81,325,900.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p4ew-fwu2XT3cpPRtt9qIGw

With that kind of advantage Cashman would have to be totally incompetent not to put a good team on the field most of the time.

Cashman could pay Tampa Bay's entire Tampa Bay's entire $65,126,368 2009 payroll and still have more money than Minaya and every other GM in baseball left over to spend. Do you really think that's not a considerable advantage?

[The Red Sox are at $122,624,689 BTW.]

Iridescence said...

"According to the NY press??? How about according to most Red Sox fans?! Not for nothing Allan refers to them as the Chokers."

Well, Red Sox fans do it mainly I assume in reference to '04 which was pretty much the conventional definition of "choke", but many Yankees fans do it every year the Yankees don't win the World Championship. As though they have a right to expect that every year. Not all Yankee fans are like that, so sorry for stereotyping, but I just hate that team and everything it stands for. Always have and always will.

I can have respect for their individual players and some of their fans but as a group I hate them.

L-girl said...

but I just hate that team and everything it stands for. Always have and always will.

Gee no kidding! :)

You and everyone else here. You've got plenty of company.

I don't doubt anything you're saying - I've been hearing it most of my life. I just find it amusing how both Yankees fans and Red Sox fans are so hypocritical, each accusing the other of what they themselves do all the time. And so it goes.

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